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		<title>By: Mhambi&#8217;s 2008: Twice bitten by South Africa, once comfortably numb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mhambi&#8217;s 2008: Twice bitten by South Africa, once comfortably numb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was also the year where massive economic storm clouds gathered, which South Africa initially weathered. But it will change the world. Also for South [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kameraad Mhambi</title>
		<link>http://mhambi.com/2008/10/this-banana-republic-should-go-bananas/comment-page-1/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>Kameraad Mhambi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete, I followed your own link and this it was it says: &quot;The government implemented structural reforms in July 1990. Since the mid-1990s, the Ministry of Information and Communications (MIC) has pursued a policy of high-speed telecommunication infrastructure as a foundation to build a “knowledge-based society.” In the telecommunications sector, competition was allowed on an incremental basis and, in the market for value added services, full competition was allowed. In March 1995, Korea Information Infrastructure (KII) was established. KII’s goal was to advance the nation’s IT infrastructure. In August 1995, the Framework Act on Information Promotion was enacted.

The country then experienced economic crisis in 1997 with the rest of the region. During the economic reforms being implemented after the financial crisis, the information technology (IT) sector was one of several that was targeted and considered to be an important factor in the recovery of the nation’s economy. In 1999, the government implemented the program known as Cyber Korea 21, which was intended to accelerate IT development.

In 1999, the government provided US$77 million in loans with preferential rates to facilities service providers (FSP). In 2000, another US$77 million was provided in loans for suburban areas, small cities and towns, and regional industrial areas. Another US$926 million was provided until 2005 in order to supply the rural areas with broadband.

Commensurate with its investment funding, the government implemented various policies designed to increase internet use among the general population. The government provided “internet literacy” lessons to homemakers, the elderly, military personnel, and farmers. In June 2000, the government implemented what was known as the “Ten Million People Internet Education” project, the purpose of which was to provide internet education to ten million people.

Korea now has the highest penetration of broadband in the world. The number of broadband subscribers in Korea reached 10 million in October 2002, with about 70% out of 14.3 million homes connected at the speed of over 2 Mbit/s.&quot;

This is hardly a market that was left on its own to develop is it. I agree with you wholeheartedly that government should only play a facilitating role in development.

If that means making sure that the IP protocol is developed and that it and HTML is not owned by anybody then so be it. Without that we would not have had the internet we have today.

You say: &quot;Creating industry in South Africa may be good for job creation, but with true free markets you will export what you are good at, and import where you lack. Importing cheap Chinese clothes may be bad for the 10, 000 potential local workers, but can benefit 20 million paying less for their clothes.&quot;

The thing is, you have to have money in the first place to buy cheap goods. In case you have not noticed, we are one of the most unequal societies on earth. 

Did Korea, Japan or China allow unfettered competition when their economies were vulnerable and developing. 

Does the US and Europe even now countenance free markets in what they consider to be strategic industries?

The problem with this kind of free market talk, is that it sounds great in theory, but practical evidence, also in this country shows otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete, I followed your own link and this it was it says: &#8220;The government implemented structural reforms in July 1990. Since the mid-1990s, the Ministry of Information and Communications (MIC) has pursued a policy of high-speed telecommunication infrastructure as a foundation to build a “knowledge-based society.” In the telecommunications sector, competition was allowed on an incremental basis and, in the market for value added services, full competition was allowed. In March 1995, Korea Information Infrastructure (KII) was established. KII’s goal was to advance the nation’s IT infrastructure. In August 1995, the Framework Act on Information Promotion was enacted.</p>
<p>The country then experienced economic crisis in 1997 with the rest of the region. During the economic reforms being implemented after the financial crisis, the information technology (IT) sector was one of several that was targeted and considered to be an important factor in the recovery of the nation’s economy. In 1999, the government implemented the program known as Cyber Korea 21, which was intended to accelerate IT development.</p>
<p>In 1999, the government provided US$77 million in loans with preferential rates to facilities service providers (FSP). In 2000, another US$77 million was provided in loans for suburban areas, small cities and towns, and regional industrial areas. Another US$926 million was provided until 2005 in order to supply the rural areas with broadband.</p>
<p>Commensurate with its investment funding, the government implemented various policies designed to increase internet use among the general population. The government provided “internet literacy” lessons to homemakers, the elderly, military personnel, and farmers. In June 2000, the government implemented what was known as the “Ten Million People Internet Education” project, the purpose of which was to provide internet education to ten million people.</p>
<p>Korea now has the highest penetration of broadband in the world. The number of broadband subscribers in Korea reached 10 million in October 2002, with about 70% out of 14.3 million homes connected at the speed of over 2 Mbit/s.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is hardly a market that was left on its own to develop is it. I agree with you wholeheartedly that government should only play a facilitating role in development.</p>
<p>If that means making sure that the IP protocol is developed and that it and HTML is not owned by anybody then so be it. Without that we would not have had the internet we have today.</p>
<p>You say: &#8220;Creating industry in South Africa may be good for job creation, but with true free markets you will export what you are good at, and import where you lack. Importing cheap Chinese clothes may be bad for the 10, 000 potential local workers, but can benefit 20 million paying less for their clothes.&#8221;</p>
<p>The thing is, you have to have money in the first place to buy cheap goods. In case you have not noticed, we are one of the most unequal societies on earth. </p>
<p>Did Korea, Japan or China allow unfettered competition when their economies were vulnerable and developing. </p>
<p>Does the US and Europe even now countenance free markets in what they consider to be strategic industries?</p>
<p>The problem with this kind of free market talk, is that it sounds great in theory, but practical evidence, also in this country shows otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://mhambi.com/2008/10/this-banana-republic-should-go-bananas/comment-page-1/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Telkom is such a bad example, because it was a state owned monopoly and it still is a monopoly. If it was owned by government still, what would make it more efficient, more innovative than other services government runs? Want to use Telecoms example? Look at the worlds leader in telecoms, South Korea.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_in_South_Korea#Internet

&quot;The government was active in promoting privatization and deregulation in general, and the information technology (IT) sector was no exception.&quot;

Creating industry in South Africa may be good for job creation, but with true free markets you will export what you are good at, and import where you lack. Importing cheap Chinese clothes may be bad for the 10, 000 potential local workers, but can benefit 20 million paying less for their clothes.

Government should only play a facilitating role in development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telkom is such a bad example, because it was a state owned monopoly and it still is a monopoly. If it was owned by government still, what would make it more efficient, more innovative than other services government runs? Want to use Telecoms example? Look at the worlds leader in telecoms, South Korea.  </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_in_South_Korea#Internet" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_in_South_Korea#Internet</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The government was active in promoting privatization and deregulation in general, and the information technology (IT) sector was no exception.&#8221;</p>
<p>Creating industry in South Africa may be good for job creation, but with true free markets you will export what you are good at, and import where you lack. Importing cheap Chinese clothes may be bad for the 10, 000 potential local workers, but can benefit 20 million paying less for their clothes.</p>
<p>Government should only play a facilitating role in development.</p>
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		<title>By: Kameraad Mhambi</title>
		<link>http://mhambi.com/2008/10/this-banana-republic-should-go-bananas/comment-page-1/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Kameraad Mhambi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, you obviously don&#039;t read much do you. The US government did not force the banks or mortgage lenders. They just removed legislation to make it easier to lend. It was up to the banks to decide. 

In the end loans were granted by Banks purely on the basis that house prices will always go up.

What do you mean with the phrase &#039;by bowing to labour&#039;? What labour?

If the US goverment did not bail out the banks, the megoliths, as you call them we would have been, in Time Magazine&#039;s words &#039; Fucked&#039;.

Re China: Are you saying that capitalism attaches an innate value to human lives. Not really, the state has to intervene to guarantee it in the West, and therefore is at an disadvantage to China where capitalism is freer from government with regards to labour legislation.

Telkom is a great example. In case you did not check its a private company thats not regulated. The worst of both worlds. In fact I wrote about this before. Do read it.

http://mhambi.blogspot.com/2007/04/telcom-should-be-nationalised-now.html

James, did you know that in the 1920&#039;s this country had no industrial sector to speak of. The Sappe, the party of the free market and capital were very happy for us to export all our raw material to the West. It took the interventionists Nationalists, Barry Hertzog, to be precise to build up our industrial sector through state subsidies. Capitalism would never have delivered that. But guess what our economy and the capitalists benefited.

All we are seeing now is a mucg timely correction. In 1990 maxist orthodoxy was discredited, and we got extreme capitalist theuries in turn. 

Now a last we can return to sanity in the middle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, you obviously don&#8217;t read much do you. The US government did not force the banks or mortgage lenders. They just removed legislation to make it easier to lend. It was up to the banks to decide. </p>
<p>In the end loans were granted by Banks purely on the basis that house prices will always go up.</p>
<p>What do you mean with the phrase &#8216;by bowing to labour&#8217;? What labour?</p>
<p>If the US goverment did not bail out the banks, the megoliths, as you call them we would have been, in Time Magazine&#8217;s words &#8216; Fucked&#8217;.</p>
<p>Re China: Are you saying that capitalism attaches an innate value to human lives. Not really, the state has to intervene to guarantee it in the West, and therefore is at an disadvantage to China where capitalism is freer from government with regards to labour legislation.</p>
<p>Telkom is a great example. In case you did not check its a private company thats not regulated. The worst of both worlds. In fact I wrote about this before. Do read it.</p>
<p><a href="http://mhambi.blogspot.com/2007/04/telcom-should-be-nationalised-now.html" rel="nofollow">http://mhambi.blogspot.com/2007/04/telcom-should-be-nationalised-now.html</a></p>
<p>James, did you know that in the 1920&#8217;s this country had no industrial sector to speak of. The Sappe, the party of the free market and capital were very happy for us to export all our raw material to the West. It took the interventionists Nationalists, Barry Hertzog, to be precise to build up our industrial sector through state subsidies. Capitalism would never have delivered that. But guess what our economy and the capitalists benefited.</p>
<p>All we are seeing now is a mucg timely correction. In 1990 maxist orthodoxy was discredited, and we got extreme capitalist theuries in turn. </p>
<p>Now a last we can return to sanity in the middle.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://mhambi.com/2008/10/this-banana-republic-should-go-bananas/comment-page-1/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so wrong. This is not a failure of capitalism, but a failure of the very interventionism that you advocate. If we had genuinely free markets, there would not be huge capital expansion and retraction. The whole problem with the credit crunch was the American government propping up property prices by forcing banks to lend to those who could not afford them. By bowing to labour, one slows productivity and invention. Markets become inefficient and government has to further protect these big megoliths from going under by giving cash and protecting with further anti competitive laws. All this does is actually increase unemployment and make us even less competitive in the future. China&#039;s currency pegging and apparent competitiveness in only possible because they have a huge population and have little regard for basic human rights. Personally I could trade a little less currency stability for the personal freedom to work and create as I please. Our new communist leadership&#039;s threat of further nationalization is only going to lead to fewer jobs created simply to protect those working for government created monopolies which are inefficient such as Telkom. Privatize and liberate markets. This the only way for progress. Government must protect against monopolies  and promote competition- this is the only way South Africa will lower poverty, create jobs and make us more competitive globally, whilst protecting human rights (unlike China, Cuba, previous communist Russia etc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so wrong. This is not a failure of capitalism, but a failure of the very interventionism that you advocate. If we had genuinely free markets, there would not be huge capital expansion and retraction. The whole problem with the credit crunch was the American government propping up property prices by forcing banks to lend to those who could not afford them. By bowing to labour, one slows productivity and invention. Markets become inefficient and government has to further protect these big megoliths from going under by giving cash and protecting with further anti competitive laws. All this does is actually increase unemployment and make us even less competitive in the future. China&#8217;s currency pegging and apparent competitiveness in only possible because they have a huge population and have little regard for basic human rights. Personally I could trade a little less currency stability for the personal freedom to work and create as I please. Our new communist leadership&#8217;s threat of further nationalization is only going to lead to fewer jobs created simply to protect those working for government created monopolies which are inefficient such as Telkom. Privatize and liberate markets. This the only way for progress. Government must protect against monopolies  and promote competition- this is the only way South Africa will lower poverty, create jobs and make us more competitive globally, whilst protecting human rights (unlike China, Cuba, previous communist Russia etc).</p>
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		<title>By: Can the world stop the Minsky moment?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Can the world stop the Minsky moment?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] spite of the good regulations that have kept our banks out of this crisis the indirect impact will be [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Die banksta&#8217;s het alles verander &#171; alleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Die banksta&#8217;s het alles verander &#171; alleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] te maak.  Suid-Afrika gaan ook deur die krisis beinvloed word, maar ten minste het ons banke weens SA regulasies nie aan die gierigheidsorgie deelgeneem [...]</description>
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