Comments on: There’s none so blind as those that won’t see http://mhambi.com/2009/06/mbeki-apologists-everywhere/#utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=mbeki-apologists-everywhere A re-deployed blog with views on Azania* Thu, 10 May 2012 21:13:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: The Afro pessimists are restless http://mhambi.com/2009/06/mbeki-apologists-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-505 The Afro pessimists are restless Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:54:36 +0000 http://mhambi.com/?p=167#comment-505 [...] books and speculate about the Zuma presidency. Speculating about Zuma and what he portends for SA is all the rage right now. As I pointed out previously Thabo Mbeki could have bennefitted with this critical analysis in 89 [...] [...] books and speculate about the Zuma presidency. Speculating about Zuma and what he portends for SA is all the rage right now. As I pointed out previously Thabo Mbeki could have bennefitted with this critical analysis in 89 [...]

]]> By: onyekachi http://mhambi.com/2009/06/mbeki-apologists-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-479 onyekachi Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:46:56 +0000 http://mhambi.com/?p=167#comment-479 It is interesting to note how two people can attend the same meeting and come away with different perceptions of the meeting. None of us knows what will unfold under Jacon Zuma, so to be on sure ground the panel dealt with where we have come from over the last 15 years. As the panel pointed out there was some good during this time and there was some bad - things that we felt could be improved or built upon by the new government. And then there were other approaches and policies from the Mbeki era that the new government should ignore (AIDs, lack of space for dissent etc) because they were particularly damaging and disastrous. I think there was also a feeling that we were coming to the end of a particular era of SA having lofty ambitions of playing a big international role, in favour of consolidation at home. Given the great need for tackling poverty this focus is important. But as was pointed out there are also profound contradictions and challenges that might mean that SA has even greater international obligations, given the deepening of globalisation and the African Union, SA's pursuit of a Security Council Seat, and representing Africa at the G20 meeting. We can all disagree about what was good and bad under Mandela and Mbkei. You, however, seem to think there was only bad under Mbeki. That's an opinion the facts do not support. And does not make you sound very objective or balanced in your reasoning. Especially given that for much of the period of Mbeki's rule his deputy was your champion Jacob Zuma. Peace Onyekachi It is interesting to note how two people can attend the same meeting and come away with different perceptions of the meeting.

None of us knows what will unfold under Jacon Zuma, so to be on sure ground the panel dealt with where we have come from over the last 15 years. As the panel pointed out there was some good during this time and there was some bad – things that we felt could be improved or built upon by the new government. And then there were other approaches and policies from the Mbeki era that the new government should ignore (AIDs, lack of space for dissent etc) because they were particularly damaging and disastrous.

I think there was also a feeling that we were coming to the end of a particular era of SA having lofty ambitions of playing a big international role, in favour of consolidation at home. Given the great need for tackling poverty this focus is important. But as was pointed out there are also profound contradictions and challenges that might mean that SA has even greater international obligations, given the deepening of globalisation and the African Union, SA’s pursuit of a Security Council Seat, and representing Africa at the G20 meeting.

We can all disagree about what was good and bad under Mandela and Mbkei. You, however, seem to think there was only bad under Mbeki. That’s an opinion the facts do not support. And does not make you sound very objective or balanced in your reasoning. Especially given that for much of the period of Mbeki’s rule his deputy was your champion Jacob Zuma.

Peace

Onyekachi

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