A remarkable interview. Julius Malema wow. Deborah Patta has got scary eyes.
I’m surprised Patta got away with so much in this interview. I really don’t see why Malema’s waistline is part of our political debate, but I concede it is entertaining. And Julius seemed to enjoy talking about it?!
BUT Julius seems to be a bit light on ideological education, I mean, he is an aspiring communist and progressive nationalist?! Sounds a bit like me! (Just joking).
Seriously though, why be an aspiring communist? No need to aspire Julius, you can just be. Take the plunge. What’s holding you back?
In Patta he has at last met his match as far as audaciousness goes. She is clearly not daunted by him.
As I mentioned in my comments below, wearing a Louis Vitton belt and other fancy clothes, or driving a super expensive car, does not make you a capitalist per se.
But its is in extremely bad taste for anyone to do so in a country where so many people live in poverty. Whether you are the chairman of Anglo-American, or a teacher. But especially if your a public representative like a politician.
Let us know what you think below…
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36 responses so far ↓
1 boerinballingskap // Dec 4, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Dankie vir ‘n kwartier se BAIE goeie vermaak!
Ek neem die positiewe hieruit: Media-vryheid is springlewendig in SA.
2 Kameraad Mhambi // Dec 4, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Verseker. Suid-Afrika se pers is sterk en gesond.
3 java // Dec 4, 2009 at 5:30 pm
she was insulting to the natives.talking shit aabout malemas wieght .what the fuck has that got 2 do with politics.
she was lucky malema was calm,i would have smacked her !!stupid questions
4 The One // Dec 5, 2009 at 6:51 am
Deborah should read more on Marxism and since when do we interview people like this, it is quite obvious that she has a predetermined perception of this man and she’s obviously subjective, bordering on the lines of becoming outright hostile. Statements like the following are proof to my point:
“You figure that one out”; “You no longer… you live in a nice house”;
Patta must familiarise herself with capitalism, communist, reading Karl Marx will go a long way in disabusing her from her ignorance.
5 plaintain1 // Dec 5, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Read the article in todays Guardian (British) about J. Malema and then saw the interview on YouTube. It was awful to say the least. Thank God British TV treats their Blacks with a little more respect
6 Kameraad Mhambi // Dec 6, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Java, threats of smacking people is no way to conduct public debate. I thought the whole sequence on his weight was over the top, BUT he seemed to encourage it and even enjoy it, which was odd.
The one, no I’m affraid it’s Malema who seems to be way out of his depth when it comes to Marxism, not only that he seems confused. First he is a Communist and he’s not, burt an aspiring one. WTF is an aspiring communist? What’s stopping him? He can either be one or not.
Tokio Sexwale is allegedly not a capitalist. He is just rich? He owes money Nedbank and thats the reason?
Most capitalists owe money to somebody. That’s how capitalism works.
Plaintain1, what do you mean by ‘their’ blacks? Furthermore, Malema’s whole debating style is aggressive, he can’t complain if he encounters people that are aggressive back to him.
As Naas Botha siad, if you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
7 Mosotho // Dec 6, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Debora Patta knows nothing about Marxism and communism. Moreover, she is very subjective and seems she does not understand investigative journalism.
8 Kameraad Mhambi // Dec 6, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Mosotho, what that she said makes you think that? Also, the format of her journalism does not pretend to be objective. Malema knows her well and knew what to expect.
9 Matlali // Dec 7, 2009 at 10:01 am
I like Debra Patta. Julius Malema is entertaining for me. I like his valor character. Meaning he can take anything or anyone on and actually end up making you look ridiculous.
In any case, I learnt something that nationalist, aspiring communist, marxist is the opposite of capitalist.
Haai! LOL
10 Matlali // Dec 7, 2009 at 10:09 am
Ok, Kameraad Mhambi – en klik! wtz ur issue!
Let me skoool you china on what a capitalist and capitalism is…
•Capitalist – a person who invests capital in a business (especially a large business)
. Capitalism – an economic system based on private ownership of capital
In both definitions, where do you see “the capitalist owes money…”
Lester, if you decide to school someone don’t let it be based on someone else’s argument. If its a stupid argument like you claim it is you might just sound stupid yourself trying to counter it….
I mean “Most capitalists owe money to somebody. That’s how capitalism works.” Did you study economics? If you say you did then I think you owe your education sponsors a refund because clearly you are not educated enough.
Anyway, that was my view
11 Makeke // Dec 7, 2009 at 10:47 am
That was a nice kick from Julius, Patta has a bad way of interviewing people
12 Kameraad Mhambi // Dec 7, 2009 at 11:04 am
Matlai, thanks for the comment. The definition you give of capitalism is not incorrect. But very simplified.
Vast amounts of credit fuels the capitalist system, which is why it is a crisis as present. It turns out that the Financial center of the Middle East (Dubai) was built on debt, and so where many of the world biggest banks.
A good capitalist prides themselves in having access to credit cheaply.
Besides that, owning a property certainly can make you a capitalist, in theory. You can rent it out for instance. But it really depends on how much property/ shares you own, and your ability to turn what you own into money (be it through leveraging credit etc) to what extent you can be described a capitalist.
Wearing a Louis Vitton belt certainly does not make you a capitalist, but it does mark you as someone with bad taste and questionable morals. We live in a country where some people don’t even have food on the table. Julius can buy perfectly good belts at Woolworths for R200, instead of belts for R3000.
13 Majarine // Dec 7, 2009 at 12:30 pm
That woman is arrogant, hehehehehe but julius handled her well,she looked more stupid than julius. lmao
14 boerinballingskap // Dec 7, 2009 at 2:44 pm
If you act like a buffoon, you can expect to be treated like one…
15 plaintain1 // Dec 7, 2009 at 6:55 pm
What I meant was is that many years ago, the American media used be shocked at the way British media handled or presented Black Britons. They would proudly say that in America, Whites (say comedians telling racist jokes) could/would never get away with that. In present day Britain, it has come a long way. If the interview between Patta and Malema was held say, on the BBC, the complaints would have been many – from Blacks and Whites – and likely Patta would have been suspended. Whatever we think of Malema, he is entitled to some respect and if she is a serious journalist, then she should employ a more serious approach in getting at the truth.
16 Kameraad Mhambi // Dec 7, 2009 at 9:12 pm
plaintain1, Malema knows Patta, well. It’s not the first time she has interviewed him. In fact I think he likes sparring with her, because he certainly would have ended the interview had it been another journalist – or at least I suspect he would have.
As for Patta. She is quite respected as a journalist in South Africa for her uncompromising style. It’s a bit like being confronted by Jeremy Paxman.
What still surprises me is that he went along with it all the way, especially the references to his weight. Which he seemed to like – that whole sequence was very odd?!
I find it interesting that you say “many years ago, the American media used be shocked at the way British media handled or presented Black Britons.” I live in the UK and over here the perception seems to be in media circles that the US and US media is more racist than the UK.
17 java // Dec 8, 2009 at 5:23 pm
kammeradi,have you ever heard of editin?
it has been cooked and small bits added 2 make malema daft.
@plaintif ,i agree ,patta should have been suspended after this stunt.
insulting too,when she said malema was stupid and i think the interview was stopped after for a while.she also insulted the pedi elders by sayin they dont knnow shit.
ofcourse we do know of the research on gender issues,but she sounded naive with her comments.
malema tried 2 explain 2 her but clearly she behaved like c amnpour interviewing mugabe,not a lot of research!!
18 java // Dec 8, 2009 at 5:28 pm
” She is quite respected as a journalist in South Africa for her uncompromising style”
respected in what sense?maybe the great white hope sense.bollocks!!
19 Kameraad Mhambi // Dec 8, 2009 at 8:12 pm
java, care to mention the time codes where you think she made compromising edits?
20 TF123 // Dec 9, 2009 at 1:52 pm
What a giant idiot our next President is!!!!
21 plaintain1 // Dec 9, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Yes, I agree when you say ‘a ‘bit’ like Jeremy Paxman’, as Paxman always starts with the idea, mentally, ‘why is this bastard lying to me’ in order for him to get at the truth. And you have to agree that there is a difference between getting at the truth and setting someone up in an attempt to make them look stupid.
Regarding the issue about how Britain treats ‘its’ Blacks, as compared to the US. Read my blog on the late Bernard Manning. Very controversial. Thanks
http://plaintain1.wordpress.com/2007/06/21/mr-bernard-man…-rest-his-soul
22 Concerned // Dec 9, 2009 at 11:31 pm
@TF123 Do you really think this guy is going to end up as president? The other’ aspiring communists and progressive nationalists”, i.e. Tokyo, Patrice and Cyril will never allow this to happen. Malema has a hell of a lot of learning to do before he is ready to be the president if ever.
23 Tell it like it is // Dec 10, 2009 at 2:51 pm
I think after JM’s capitalism/commuism/lennonist/marxist statements DP just humoured him and ook the opportunity to show the audience what a stupid ignoramus JM really is. Pity the ANCYL supporters are blinded by the racist noise he makes to even notice that he’s not worth following.
JM is too stupid and his ego too big for him to even notice she was taking the mickey out of him. He probably thought h was good in ther interview after watching it. But to give him credit he is a manipulator and gives his supporters what he wants and, it seems, that is to disobey the elders is OK and to drink and go to work drunk is funny. No wonder South Africa is in the state its in … everyone for himself.
DP on the other hand is a brilliant journalist and definately does her homework and does know what a communist is. I think there are very few uneducted people in the world who don’t know what a communist is, JM being one of the few, and uneducated BTW.
DP’ interviews get straight to the point and show people and situations for who and what they are … in this case she showed JM for the idiot he is.
She is mostly unbiased but gives her interviewees a real ‘pow wow’ from the opposite side from where they are coming. She is definately more of a lefty than a righty.
24 Tell it like it is // Dec 10, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Concerned. Anything can happen in Africa, but Malema for president? I think Homer Simpson would do a better job, he certainly has more between his ears
25 Concerned // Dec 13, 2009 at 5:44 pm
@ Tell it like it is said “I think after JM’s capitalism/communism/lennonist/marxist statements DP just humoured him and ook the opportunity to show the audience what a stupid ignoramus JM really is.”
Ditto
Debora used the appropriate tone, i.e adult speaking to a naughty immature child.
26 Lulu // Jan 8, 2010 at 11:54 am
I hope your all from South Africa first of all. If you experienced the ignorance and lack of respect Mr Malema has shown throughout his political career, you would understand where DP comes from. She was married to a black man, so why would she treat him any different? He is a disrespectful man and admits to not respecting the opinion of his elders and his superiors. So he deserved what was coming to him.
P.S and no I am not white
27 skeyz // Jan 9, 2010 at 12:16 am
well l wouldn’t blame Malema for the way he responded, in a way DP was also being personal, she questioned the luxurious life Malema is living yet she is also enjoying the same fruits. above all as a journalist one has to avoid being emotional but state facts as they are than to generalizing everything. media has to serve the watchdog role and forthestate than to dictate on what is good or bad. word of advise to DP interviewing people isn’t all about decampaining an individual but potraying facts as they are. the way that she kept on referring to whites and all could promote racism yet it wasn’t the main agenda. texts are polysemic my dear.
28 David // Jan 11, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Plase send the interviwe plaese
29 Koena Moabelo // Jan 12, 2010 at 9:53 am
Patta must learn how to ask questions. I do not like the way she handles and ask questions. She puts words in interviewees’ mouths. Nice boots you gave her Julius
30 Kameraad Mhambi // Jan 12, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Hi there. This post has had so much traffic, I’ve added a poll for those that care to vote.
31 Tumi // Jan 15, 2010 at 6:44 am
I think deborah just lost it there-i never thought she can be that stupid @ times,she was over powered by undermined Malema.She thought Malema will give up the interview & get pissed like T blunch did,thats juliuos for you i realy liked it-props,”the nice things are not meant for us blacks but the white kids”.
32 Mischief // Feb 8, 2010 at 8:15 am
Black ppl are not stupid!! i work/eat/play with blacks and they are very smart, its just Julius we dont like and its frustrating to see ppl ignoring his stupidity and still keeping him as the leader of the youths
33 Trevor // Feb 8, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Eish Debora if you want to catch “Maleema” than you need to arrange an interview with Maleema but the interviewer must be someone speaking his own language and that person must have your Tanitansy. The guy is in the same league as Robert Mugabe. He will use English and his own language mixed in order to confuse, as he knows his own people does not have a 100% grasp of English so he exploits that fact like “Mogabe” making you look stupid. The truth is that guy is probably going to be our next president…… eish.
34 Si // Feb 8, 2010 at 4:29 pm
i don’t care about race! I was listening to the interview trying to give Julius some credit. i have heard a lot about him, but could never make up my own mind. Reason? I have never heard him being interviewed before.
I must admit that DP was a bit pushy…she should have given him a chance to answer some of her own questions put to him. But I must admit she had a lot of valid points.
About JM: I have now made up my mind. The guy seems to be enjoying his position for a few reasons, it seems. One, he can sway a crowd, even though the content of his speech may be poor. It seems his followers are VERY big on loyalty, the content seems to make little difference. How sad. That is one problem that i have with this country: Allegiance and loyalty. TOO many follow blindly. A liberator of the oppressed DOES NOT automatically qualify one to sequentially lead a country. That has been proven time and time again here; the country is in chaos! compare the likes of Mandela to Zuma. Mandela (M) is a qualified lawyer, Zuma (Z) has no education. M reaches out to all races, Z seems to favour Zulu culture. M conducts his life quietly and decently, Z seems to stir up public irritation with his actions (multiple sex partners, taxpayers money goes to financing his family). M wins presidency by sincerity and popular vote only, orchestrates the ousting of Mbeki first, and a little while later brainwashes for popular vote). While M has garnered popularity with his natural warmth, charisma and professional struggle, Z seems to have garnered his presidency by swaying the crowds (of which his own Zulu race is most populous) with materialism. Thus it can be shown that true leaders of a country display true leadership qualities earned. Forced leaders bring about turmoil.
JM seems to be power hungry, materialistic, and not very educated. He seems to want the best for his own people, and does not have the general south african population at heart. He accuses white of being racist, but ironically seems to bear the same traits. there has never been any mention from him of the poor colorded in the Western Cape, who have been JUST AS oppressed as blacks in the aparthied regime. I praise JM for wanting to alleviate the struggles of certain poor in the country, albeit blacks. One person (irrespective of colour) being helped out of poverty is an achievement. My objection is the BIAS that is displayed. He seems to lack the intellectual capacity to make calculated decisions to empower the struggling. There seems to be an arrogance in him which can be kind of embarrassing. Objectively, he seems to venture topics of which he has no real background knowledge, instead of just deferring the topic. If he was a little more subdued, he would perhaps be more alert to try and avoid answering certain topics, tactfully. A little tact would definitely go a longer way.
But WHAT comes to the fore most strikingly is the fact that I am analyzing this man and coming up with so many fundamental discrepancies in his leadership abilities. Which makes me wonder if it would just be better for him to do introspection, and decide if he should continue or just simply hand over to a more capable being…
35 Monty // Feb 24, 2010 at 7:59 am
Deborah talks circles around him. It is really not difficult to confuse him. He contradicts basically everything he says in one sentence immediately in the next.
36 Trevor // Feb 24, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Isn’t it strange that there are still so many Julius fans. If only the people could see what he is doing. If I can look into the future if Julius becomes president which is more than likely if something doesn’t get done done we will have a Robert Mugabe X10….. arrogance and all.
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