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	<title>Comments on: Help! I became white</title>
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		<title>By: Tito</title>
		<link>http://mhambi.com/2010/01/help-i-became-white-braam-vermeulen-video/comment-page-1/#comment-1857</link>
		<dc:creator>Tito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 20:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing for foreigners to keep in mind before trying to &quot;label&quot;or &quot;understand&quot; South Africa is that they often confuse cultural prejudice as being racist or simply the sense of belonging to one&#039;s linguistic or cultural identity as being racist.

My Swiss friend who has been here for six months was shocked to find out on his visit to the South Western Free State(Gariep) that traditional Boere would drink and share the same humour with the Griquas(Afrikaans-speaking Coloureds) more easily than they would with an English-speaking white. He found out pretty soon that it was culture and not colour that the Boere there were defensive about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing for foreigners to keep in mind before trying to &#8220;label&#8221;or &#8220;understand&#8221; South Africa is that they often confuse cultural prejudice as being racist or simply the sense of belonging to one&#8217;s linguistic or cultural identity as being racist.</p>
<p>My Swiss friend who has been here for six months was shocked to find out on his visit to the South Western Free State(Gariep) that traditional Boere would drink and share the same humour with the Griquas(Afrikaans-speaking Coloureds) more easily than they would with an English-speaking white. He found out pretty soon that it was culture and not colour that the Boere there were defensive about.</p>
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		<title>By: B J M-L</title>
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		<dc:creator>B J M-L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bear breasted women ---- not a grizzly sight---at all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bear breasted women &#8212;- not a grizzly sight&#8212;at all</p>
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		<title>By: Kameraad Mhambi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kameraad Mhambi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be right, except perhaps for Malaysia. They&#039;re also pretty race obsessed.

One other observation. His comments have to be seen in the light of Dutch debate about integration vs multiculturalism. In countries like the Netherlands there was a hands-off approach to immigrants for a long time. That is now seen as a mistake after the murder of Theo van Gogh. Immigrants are now forced to learn Dutch, and even watch videos of gay men kissing, bear breasted women cavorting on a beach. The inference is, if you don&#039;t like this, if you don&#039;t want to be Dutch, then don&#039;t come. Vermeulen is arguing that after his visit to SA he now thinks this is a mistake. That people should be left alone to practise their own culture. Odd if your from a multi-cultural country like the USA no doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be right, except perhaps for Malaysia. They&#8217;re also pretty race obsessed.</p>
<p>One other observation. His comments have to be seen in the light of Dutch debate about integration vs multiculturalism. In countries like the Netherlands there was a hands-off approach to immigrants for a long time. That is now seen as a mistake after the murder of Theo van Gogh. Immigrants are now forced to learn Dutch, and even watch videos of gay men kissing, bear breasted women cavorting on a beach. The inference is, if you don&#8217;t like this, if you don&#8217;t want to be Dutch, then don&#8217;t come. Vermeulen is arguing that after his visit to SA he now thinks this is a mistake. That people should be left alone to practise their own culture. Odd if your from a multi-cultural country like the USA no doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh? This is a crazy thing to read as an American.  First, it makes me weirded out that some Dutchmen would go anywhere and try and live anything other than what he is. That is the phoniest thing I have ever heard. I live in Irish Boston if he came here to act Boston Irish we&#039;d laugh in face racism has nothing to do with it. 

South Africa is the only country in the world with more race hang-ups than the United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh? This is a crazy thing to read as an American.  First, it makes me weirded out that some Dutchmen would go anywhere and try and live anything other than what he is. That is the phoniest thing I have ever heard. I live in Irish Boston if he came here to act Boston Irish we&#8217;d laugh in face racism has nothing to do with it. </p>
<p>South Africa is the only country in the world with more race hang-ups than the United States.</p>
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		<title>By: AttieS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AttieS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boot camp for progressives! LOL. There is a social joke in SA to illustrate this. Q: What is the difference between a tourist and a racist? A: about 6 Months! This will crack many white South-Africans up with laughter. It comes from years of experiencing European whites occasionally settling here (French/German/English), they would condemn what they perceived as our racism and pretend to be morally superior to us, after 6months to a year later they would be extremely racist sometimes even shocking us, not only because of the transition but also because they have not fully integrated culturally with SA white society (which they always eventually do) and therefore express themselves in ways that is sometimes unacceptable to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boot camp for progressives! LOL. There is a social joke in SA to illustrate this. Q: What is the difference between a tourist and a racist? A: about 6 Months! This will crack many white South-Africans up with laughter. It comes from years of experiencing European whites occasionally settling here (French/German/English), they would condemn what they perceived as our racism and pretend to be morally superior to us, after 6months to a year later they would be extremely racist sometimes even shocking us, not only because of the transition but also because they have not fully integrated culturally with SA white society (which they always eventually do) and therefore express themselves in ways that is sometimes unacceptable to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Kameraad Mhambi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kameraad Mhambi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are not the first to mention that to me.

The only thing I can think he means is that Obama is Westernised, and he wanted to Africanise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are not the first to mention that to me.</p>
<p>The only thing I can think he means is that Obama is Westernised, and he wanted to Africanise?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;white Obama&quot;. Come on. He lost me there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;white Obama&#8221;. Come on. He lost me there.</p>
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		<title>By: Kameraad Mhambi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kameraad Mhambi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the video does not always play for me either. It&#039;s worth persisting with it though because the interview is good, and you can get the gist of a lot of it if you understand Afrikaans.

I agree with comments Sophia. My impression is that things have progressed somewhat as well. I also think it helps when you have the kind of interests that you guys have.
 
I have not spoken to these friends about this recently, so I the situation might have changed for them in the mean time.

Another recent anecdote: A black gay friend of mine who has a boyfriend in Cape Town has said to me that he felt scared of black South Africans. That he feels more at ease in white society. What an identity mindfield!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the video does not always play for me either. It&#8217;s worth persisting with it though because the interview is good, and you can get the gist of a lot of it if you understand Afrikaans.</p>
<p>I agree with comments Sophia. My impression is that things have progressed somewhat as well. I also think it helps when you have the kind of interests that you guys have.</p>
<p>I have not spoken to these friends about this recently, so I the situation might have changed for them in the mean time.</p>
<p>Another recent anecdote: A black gay friend of mine who has a boyfriend in Cape Town has said to me that he felt scared of black South Africans. That he feels more at ease in white society. What an identity mindfield!</p>
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		<title>By: Sophia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sophia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting (although I couldn&#039;t watch the video).

&quot;He would arrange social meetings, and then never get invited again. (This used to be a common complaint of my white progressive friends in South Africa – that they could not make real black friends.)&quot;

I do think things have changed somewhat, especially among the younger generations. We have finally managed to form some good interracial friendships here in Cape Town as well as Jo&#039;burg. These friendships are based on similar interests, not on an urge for black and white to mingle, so things have progressed rather spontaneously. 

For the younger generations that were/are educated in Model C schools, integration isn&#039;t such an issue.

But as older Saffas who still had to attend all-white state schools, we&#039;ve been lucky: we&#039;ve been able to work in environments where integration and meeting new people come naturally. In the (older) South African society, I guess that still doesn&#039;t happen a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting (although I couldn&#8217;t watch the video).</p>
<p>&#8220;He would arrange social meetings, and then never get invited again. (This used to be a common complaint of my white progressive friends in South Africa – that they could not make real black friends.)&#8221;</p>
<p>I do think things have changed somewhat, especially among the younger generations. We have finally managed to form some good interracial friendships here in Cape Town as well as Jo&#8217;burg. These friendships are based on similar interests, not on an urge for black and white to mingle, so things have progressed rather spontaneously. </p>
<p>For the younger generations that were/are educated in Model C schools, integration isn&#8217;t such an issue.</p>
<p>But as older Saffas who still had to attend all-white state schools, we&#8217;ve been lucky: we&#8217;ve been able to work in environments where integration and meeting new people come naturally. In the (older) South African society, I guess that still doesn&#8217;t happen a lot.</p>
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